1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:11,610 --> 00:00:09,200 [Applause] 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:11,620 good afternoon everyone i'm andrew 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:13,330 Shumway I'm a graduate researcher at the 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:15,010 University of Washington I'm working 6 00:00:19,109 --> 00:00:16,770 there with Professor Jonathan toner 7 00:00:21,660 --> 00:00:19,119 studying the formation and stability of 8 00:00:24,030 --> 00:00:21,670 Bryon's as they exist on the surface of 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:24,040 Mars I'm here today to present some 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:28,330 results about from some experimental 11 00:00:33,090 --> 00:00:30,810 work that we've done looking at how 12 00:00:34,410 --> 00:00:33,100 brian's may exist under more extreme 13 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:34,420 conditions than previously thought 14 00:00:37,229 --> 00:00:35,140 possible 15 00:00:39,030 --> 00:00:37,239 in fact my results likely indicate that 16 00:00:41,370 --> 00:00:39,040 under certain conditions brian's may 17 00:00:43,310 --> 00:00:41,380 exist throughout the entire year and in 18 00:00:49,020 --> 00:00:43,320 the most extreme conditions on mars 19 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:49,030 making them effectively unfeasible so 20 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:51,430 trans transient or perpetually liquid 21 00:00:55,350 --> 00:00:53,230 water on the surface of Mars even in 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:55,360 relatively small quantities it has deep 23 00:00:59,330 --> 00:00:57,850 Astra biological significance water is 24 00:01:01,560 --> 00:00:59,340 the cornerstone in our search for 25 00:01:03,690 --> 00:01:01,570 habitable environments beyond Earth and 26 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:03,700 there are many hazards on Mars that 27 00:01:07,469 --> 00:01:05,170 potential organisms would face including 28 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:07,479 low temperature low pressures high 29 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:09,690 exposure to radiation but I think 30 00:01:15,300 --> 00:01:11,710 perhaps none are as difficult to 31 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:15,310 overcome as the lack of water so life on 32 00:01:19,770 --> 00:01:16,930 Earth can thrive in some of these most 33 00:01:22,109 --> 00:01:19,780 extreme environments but all life as we 34 00:01:24,060 --> 00:01:22,119 know it needs water to survive so if 35 00:01:25,950 --> 00:01:24,070 there are microorganisms on Mars that we 36 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:25,960 should be able to identify their source 37 00:01:30,690 --> 00:01:28,450 of water and even if there are no 38 00:01:33,390 --> 00:01:30,700 microorganisms alive on Mars today 39 00:01:37,109 --> 00:01:33,400 soon we will be bringing our own life to 40 00:01:39,780 --> 00:01:37,119 the planet humans and for potential 41 00:01:42,060 --> 00:01:39,790 future missions and missions to Mars 42 00:01:43,679 --> 00:01:42,070 humans are gonna require water and 43 00:01:46,649 --> 00:01:43,689 likely the first missions will bring 44 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:46,659 their own water but this is inefficient 45 00:01:52,010 --> 00:01:48,850 because water is very heavy and 46 00:01:54,149 --> 00:01:52,020 expensive to transport so a much better 47 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:54,159 it would be much more sustainable to 48 00:01:59,399 --> 00:01:56,770 find a source of water there on Mars 49 00:02:01,319 --> 00:01:59,409 that we could use so for these reasons 50 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:01,329 characterizing water on Mars is critical 51 00:02:05,010 --> 00:02:02,799 in defining both present and future 52 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:05,020 habitability of the planet and it's 53 00:02:08,550 --> 00:02:05,890 central to our mission as 54 00:02:09,569 --> 00:02:08,560 astrobiologists this presents a 55 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:09,579 challenge though because when we look at 56 00:02:13,830 --> 00:02:11,650 the surface of Mars today we find a very 57 00:02:15,930 --> 00:02:13,840 cold and dry place it's not an ideal 58 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:15,940 environment for life to exist and while 59 00:02:20,909 --> 00:02:17,410 there's past evidence that liquid water 60 00:02:25,340 --> 00:02:20,919 existed the water that is there or that 61 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:27,680 if we look at the phase diagram of water 62 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:29,890 and the range of Martian service 63 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:31,870 conditions we can see that any pure h2o 64 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:34,720 would exist only as a solid ice or as a 65 00:02:40,230 --> 00:02:37,750 water vapor gas but the surface of Mars 66 00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:40,240 is rich in salts which reduces the 67 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:45,520 evaporation rate and can allow water to 68 00:02:52,950 --> 00:02:52,000 exist under these extreme conditions so 69 00:02:54,780 --> 00:02:52,960 a great deal of work has already been 70 00:02:58,470 --> 00:02:54,790 done to characterize Martian brian's 71 00:03:00,060 --> 00:02:58,480 like these brands made from Mars salts 72 00:03:02,460 --> 00:03:00,070 can have extremely low freezing points 73 00:03:04,950 --> 00:03:02,470 down to negative 74 degrees Celsius in 74 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:04,960 the case of calcium perchlorate another 75 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:06,730 way that water is predicted to exist on 76 00:03:11,430 --> 00:03:09,130 Mars is as adsorbed brines or as 77 00:03:14,820 --> 00:03:11,440 adsorbed water what's happening here is 78 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:14,830 that water vapor will adhere to surfaces 79 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:17,890 in this case soil this adhesion is just 80 00:03:22,590 --> 00:03:19,840 driven by Van der Waals forces which are 81 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:22,600 weak electromagnetic interactions but 82 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:24,490 neither of these previously studied 83 00:03:29,190 --> 00:03:26,050 systems tells the whole story 84 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:29,200 realistically any brines that likely 85 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:32,650 exists on Mars are within the soil so 86 00:03:36,510 --> 00:03:33,850 it's essential to understand the 87 00:03:38,490 --> 00:03:36,520 properties of soil brien mixtures soil 88 00:03:40,050 --> 00:03:38,500 and salt and water what distinguishes 89 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:40,060 our expand experiment from these 90 00:03:44,580 --> 00:03:42,370 previously studied systems is that we 91 00:03:46,230 --> 00:03:44,590 investigate samples of soil and brine 92 00:03:48,150 --> 00:03:46,240 and find that they do not behave 93 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:48,160 identically to either of these 94 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:51,610 previously studied systems so the goal 95 00:03:54,510 --> 00:03:52,690 in this experiment is to answer the 96 00:03:57,540 --> 00:03:54,520 question under what conditions can Mars 97 00:04:00,090 --> 00:03:57,550 akan brines exist in Martian soils this 98 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:00,100 comes in two steps the first is to study 99 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:02,170 how brian's form the soil by taking up 100 00:04:06,450 --> 00:04:04,120 water from the atmosphere and we did 101 00:04:09,060 --> 00:04:06,460 this by measuring the water activity if 102 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:09,070 you are not familiar with water activity 103 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:12,910 essentially it is a measure of the the 104 00:04:16,979 --> 00:04:14,530 effective concentration of water or how 105 00:04:20,550 --> 00:04:16,989 much water is available for chemical and 106 00:04:23,970 --> 00:04:20,560 biological interactions next we looked 107 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:23,980 at brine stability to identify phase 108 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:26,050 transitions such as freezing salt 109 00:04:29,910 --> 00:04:27,790 precipitation and glass formation and 110 00:04:31,860 --> 00:04:29,920 soil brian mixtures this phase diagram 111 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:31,870 shows the phases for pure magnesium 112 00:04:35,309 --> 00:04:33,850 perchlorate brian as a function of 113 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:35,319 concentration and temperature 114 00:04:41,119 --> 00:04:38,710 and we find that soils cause Bryan's to 115 00:04:44,219 --> 00:04:41,129 deviate strongly from this picture in 116 00:04:45,659 --> 00:04:44,229 order to investigate these two themes we 117 00:04:47,939 --> 00:04:45,669 created soil Brian samples that are 118 00:04:51,239 --> 00:04:47,949 analogous to what we expect to find on 119 00:04:52,739 --> 00:04:51,249 Mars so we've never had a return mission 120 00:04:54,179 --> 00:04:52,749 from Mars so we don't have any real Mars 121 00:04:54,719 --> 00:04:54,189 soil to work with so we have the next 122 00:04:56,670 --> 00:04:54,729 best thing 123 00:04:58,829 --> 00:04:56,680 Mars soil simulant which is essentially 124 00:05:01,409 --> 00:04:58,839 just crushed weathered basaltic mimics 125 00:05:03,719 --> 00:05:01,419 the composition of Martian soil and for 126 00:05:07,170 --> 00:05:03,729 our salt we chose magnesium perchlorate 127 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:07,180 we chose that this because the wet 128 00:05:10,799 --> 00:05:08,770 chemistry experiments on the Phoenix 129 00:05:12,029 --> 00:05:10,809 lander found approximately 0.6 weight 130 00:05:14,670 --> 00:05:12,039 percent per chlorate 131 00:05:15,679 --> 00:05:14,680 in Martian soil at its landing site so 132 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:15,689 when you put it all together you get 133 00:05:20,489 --> 00:05:17,649 soil Brian sample that looks something 134 00:05:22,109 --> 00:05:20,499 like this and using these soil Brian 135 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:22,119 mixtures our first task was to measure 136 00:05:27,629 --> 00:05:24,610 the water activity as a function of 137 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:27,639 Brian salt concentration the way that we 138 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:29,409 did this is we have our soil Brian 139 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:31,449 sample of an unknown water activity and 140 00:05:35,159 --> 00:05:33,849 we introduce it to a reference material 141 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:35,169 for which the water activity is known 142 00:05:39,179 --> 00:05:37,449 both of these materials are put into an 143 00:05:41,579 --> 00:05:39,189 evacuated chamber and held at a constant 144 00:05:43,949 --> 00:05:41,589 temperature and water vapor is allowed 145 00:05:47,850 --> 00:05:43,959 is able to exchange between the two 146 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:47,860 samples until equilibrium is reached at 147 00:05:53,540 --> 00:05:50,649 that point we can compare the mass 148 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:53,550 before and after equilibration and 149 00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:56,050 calculate the water activity so the 150 00:06:00,719 --> 00:05:57,550 water activities for both of the 151 00:06:02,579 --> 00:06:00,729 materials would be identical so 152 00:06:05,309 --> 00:06:02,589 calculating the water activity and the 153 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:05,319 brian concentration so here are the 154 00:06:10,429 --> 00:06:07,930 results from that but first actually i 155 00:06:13,219 --> 00:06:10,439 want to show you this is what for the 156 00:06:16,139 --> 00:06:13,229 pure magnesium perchlorate solution 157 00:06:18,540 --> 00:06:16,149 would look like for water activity as a 158 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:18,550 function of salt concentration you can 159 00:06:22,049 --> 00:06:20,050 see that water activity is lower at 160 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:22,059 higher salt concentrations this is 161 00:06:25,259 --> 00:06:23,680 because at these higher concentrations 162 00:06:27,540 --> 00:06:25,269 more of the water is interacting with 163 00:06:30,570 --> 00:06:27,550 assault so less of it is available to be 164 00:06:35,369 --> 00:06:30,580 used in other processes here in black 165 00:06:37,290 --> 00:06:35,379 are the data for a mixture of martian 166 00:06:39,689 --> 00:06:37,300 soil simulant and magnesium perchlorate 167 00:06:42,209 --> 00:06:39,699 Brian the concentration of salt in this 168 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:42,219 experiment was one weight percent that's 169 00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:45,039 because it's very similar to the what 170 00:06:49,230 --> 00:06:47,680 was detected by the Phoenix lander we 171 00:06:51,330 --> 00:06:49,240 also studied soil Brian mixtures 172 00:06:53,249 --> 00:06:51,340 higher salt concentrations so you can 173 00:06:56,430 --> 00:06:53,259 see here in orange is to weight percent 174 00:06:58,740 --> 00:06:56,440 and in red 5 weight percent and as we 175 00:07:02,689 --> 00:06:58,750 get higher and higher concentrations it 176 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:02,699 approaches the trend for the pure brine 177 00:07:06,870 --> 00:07:05,440 so this has really big implications for 178 00:07:09,270 --> 00:07:06,880 the way that we study Mars relevant 179 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:09,280 brian's the lower water activity means 180 00:07:13,409 --> 00:07:11,889 that brian's absorbed onto soil are less 181 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:13,419 available to chemical and biological 182 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:15,520 processes further to address the 183 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:17,560 question of stability and when these 184 00:07:21,390 --> 00:07:19,660 brian's actually remain liquid this drop 185 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:21,400 and water activity should correspond to 186 00:07:26,159 --> 00:07:24,330 depressed freezing point temperatures 187 00:07:28,170 --> 00:07:26,169 meaning that the brian's will be more 188 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:28,180 stable than previously thought and we 189 00:07:31,980 --> 00:07:30,610 can confirm this by measuring the phase 190 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:31,990 transitions directly using a 191 00:07:37,469 --> 00:07:34,960 differential scanning calorimeter DSC is 192 00:07:39,510 --> 00:07:37,479 it what it does is it identify his phase 193 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:39,520 transitions by measuring the heat flow 194 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:46,379 anytime that a phase transition occurs 195 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:47,650 there will be a characteristic 196 00:07:52,589 --> 00:07:49,810 absorption or release of heat and the 197 00:07:54,330 --> 00:07:52,599 DSC measures those changes so here's the 198 00:07:56,189 --> 00:07:54,340 heat flow through one sample of one 199 00:07:59,430 --> 00:07:56,199 weight percent soil brine mixture and an 200 00:08:02,010 --> 00:07:59,440 activity of 0.91 the sample was cooled 201 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:02,020 down to negative 150 degrees Celsius and 202 00:08:09,899 --> 00:08:04,060 this plot shows you the change in heat 203 00:08:11,670 --> 00:08:09,909 as we slowly warm it up towards zero at 204 00:08:14,129 --> 00:08:11,680 this point here the heat flow drops 205 00:08:16,409 --> 00:08:14,139 suddenly melting ice is an endothermic 206 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:16,419 process meaning that it absorbs heat so 207 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:17,530 and that's exactly what we're seeing 208 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:20,530 here we see similar features at lower 209 00:08:24,870 --> 00:08:23,530 water activities 0.8 0.73 but when we 210 00:08:26,850 --> 00:08:24,880 get to really really low water 211 00:08:31,290 --> 00:08:26,860 activities below 0.5 this feature 212 00:08:34,199 --> 00:08:31,300 disappears entirely it doesn't appear so 213 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:34,209 what this says is that water it never 214 00:08:38,459 --> 00:08:36,010 freezes in these samples even though it 215 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:38,469 we lowered the temperature to negative 216 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:43,750 150 degrees Celsius so let's go back to 217 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:45,730 this figure which compares a pure brine 218 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:47,140 with a one weight percent magnesium 219 00:08:51,510 --> 00:08:49,839 perchlorate Brian soil mixture like I 220 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:51,520 mentioned before this decrease in water 221 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:54,310 activity caused by the soil does in fact 222 00:08:58,579 --> 00:08:55,990 correspond to a decrease in freezing 223 00:09:00,960 --> 00:08:58,589 temperature the depression of the 224 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:00,970 freezing point is so strong then in 225 00:09:05,019 --> 00:09:03,050 samples below 0.5 226 00:09:06,610 --> 00:09:05,029 water activity the Bryan's never freeze 227 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:06,620 and this is what we deem unfreeze 228 00:09:10,660 --> 00:09:08,750 suitable water because in these dry 229 00:09:12,220 --> 00:09:10,670 Martian conditions such Bryan's will 230 00:09:16,090 --> 00:09:12,230 remain liquid over the full range of 231 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:16,100 Mars's temperatures as I wrap up I'd 232 00:09:20,290 --> 00:09:17,839 like to leave you with just a few 233 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:20,300 closing thoughts Brian's on Mars will 234 00:09:25,509 --> 00:09:22,730 likely exist as adsorbed phases onto 235 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:25,519 soil and they will remain liquid at much 236 00:09:29,620 --> 00:09:28,130 lower temperatures than pure brines this 237 00:09:31,180 --> 00:09:29,630 expands the range of conditions where 238 00:09:32,650 --> 00:09:31,190 liquid water is stable and allows it to 239 00:09:36,190 --> 00:09:32,660 be available in some of the most extreme 240 00:09:37,540 --> 00:09:36,200 and conditions on the planet adsorbed 241 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:37,550 brian's could serve as a potential 242 00:09:41,740 --> 00:09:40,250 source of water for microbes on mars but 243 00:09:43,420 --> 00:09:41,750 it would be an extremely hostile 244 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:43,430 environment because of these very very 245 00:09:47,530 --> 00:09:45,290 low water activities that we're 246 00:09:49,060 --> 00:09:47,540 measuring and so this project has only 247 00:09:50,860 --> 00:09:49,070 just scratched the surface of this 248 00:09:53,889 --> 00:09:50,870 there's plenty of more future work to do 249 00:09:56,290 --> 00:09:53,899 many more salts to investigate many 250 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:56,300 different types of soils that we can use 251 00:09:59,740 --> 00:09:58,490 clays as well so that's the direction 252 00:10:01,870 --> 00:09:59,750 that I'd like to go in the future with 253 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:01,880 this project but to wrap up I'd just 254 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:04,250 like to think like my sponsors and my 255 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:06,410 home department and I'll take any 256 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:14,340 you know we have time for a few 257 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:15,510 questions 258 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:18,520 hi Herman Martinez from the University 259 00:10:21,990 --> 00:10:20,230 of Michigan a very interesting 260 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:22,000 presentation thank you very much for 261 00:10:27,060 --> 00:10:24,370 that I was wondering about the Mars 262 00:10:29,610 --> 00:10:27,070 analog soil that you that you'd used 263 00:10:32,220 --> 00:10:29,620 where did you get it from exactly or 264 00:10:34,830 --> 00:10:32,230 have you do you have details on that one 265 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:34,840 yes you can actually buy it online it's 266 00:10:40,110 --> 00:10:39,010 that uh it is Mars Mojave simulant I 267 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:40,120 bought this one name in soil it's 268 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:41,050 Martian Gardens 269 00:10:48,420 --> 00:10:43,150 namely Mojave yes yes thank you very 270 00:10:50,820 --> 00:10:48,430 much Alex Paul of NASA gloried so when 271 00:10:55,950 --> 00:10:50,830 you did this experiment when you put 272 00:10:57,980 --> 00:10:55,960 both soil perchlorate and another 273 00:11:00,810 --> 00:10:57,990 solution with no one activity together 274 00:11:03,210 --> 00:11:00,820 how big are those samples whenever you 275 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:03,220 put with what you try to equilibrate so 276 00:11:07,620 --> 00:11:05,800 the soil sample is about half a gram yes 277 00:11:09,450 --> 00:11:07,630 they're they're pretty small okay 278 00:11:11,790 --> 00:11:09,460 because concern was whenever I do 279 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:11,800 experiments with quarries is that you 280 00:11:14,970 --> 00:11:13,300 can form like a crust 281 00:11:17,610 --> 00:11:14,980 you know whenever you know a particular 282 00:11:19,050 --> 00:11:17,620 pressure so it can be deceptiveness but 283 00:11:26,430 --> 00:11:19,060 you know at Papa Graham it's probably 284 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:26,440 not the fact mm-hmm Jennifer Hanley low 285 00:11:32,130 --> 00:11:28,990 observatory can you explain again how 286 00:11:37,260 --> 00:11:32,140 you determine the activity water in your 287 00:11:41,070 --> 00:11:37,270 soil plus salt plus water one got it 288 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:41,080 from the water plus salt one can just 289 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:42,130 explain like made me go back to that 290 00:11:46,620 --> 00:11:44,530 slide and explain again please sure I 291 00:11:48,450 --> 00:11:46,630 don't want to go too far back but 292 00:11:50,820 --> 00:11:48,460 there's there's an equation to calculate 293 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:50,830 it so we weighed the sample before 294 00:11:54,510 --> 00:11:52,690 calibration and after collaboration so 295 00:11:57,510 --> 00:11:54,520 we can know precisely how much water is 296 00:11:58,890 --> 00:11:57,520 in each sample and from that amount of 297 00:12:00,690 --> 00:11:58,900 water you can back out the brine 298 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:00,700 concentration and use that to calculate 299 00:12:06,630 --> 00:12:04,510 water so your how's the water getting in 300 00:12:11,090 --> 00:12:06,640 there it's exchanged through water 301 00:12:14,370 --> 00:12:11,100 vapour okay okay 302 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:14,380 David Stillman's very similar kind of 303 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:17,440 question how much water do you have in 304 00:12:22,350 --> 00:12:20,560 this one weight percent sample like did 305 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:22,360 you start with a known amount or a 306 00:12:28,170 --> 00:12:25,510 because yeah are you daily 307 00:12:30,330 --> 00:12:28,180 singing it in and then waiting and then 308 00:12:32,550 --> 00:12:30,340 making the water activity measurement 309 00:12:35,220 --> 00:12:32,560 sure so we start with perfectly dry soil 310 00:12:39,570 --> 00:12:35,230 we dehydrate it and treat it with a 311 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:39,580 magnesium solution and then add we 312 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:43,050 pipette in magnesium perchlorate brine 313 00:12:53,070 --> 00:12:46,330 and then allowed to equilibrate at a 314 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:53,080 water activity all right and I've won - 315 00:13:00,540 --> 00:12:56,250 and I'm gonna pile on top of that but 316 00:13:02,270 --> 00:13:00,550 yeah and I get your process but it's all 317 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:02,280 based on the mass balance 318 00:13:05,510 --> 00:13:04,870 have you taken into account that 319 00:13:07,740 --> 00:13:05,520 sorption 320 00:13:09,870 --> 00:13:07,750 because if you start from a perfectly 321 00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:09,880 dry so you're gonna probably adds up a 322 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:11,680 significant amount of water and you have 323 00:13:16,410 --> 00:13:13,750 only one weight percent of perchlorate 324 00:13:20,070 --> 00:13:16,420 so it's really small so if you want to 325 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:20,080 make sure that you really estimate 326 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:22,420 properly the amount of water that goes 327 00:13:26,850 --> 00:13:24,250 in the liquid phase of the back row each 328 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:26,860 enemy to make the same mass balance on 329 00:13:31,260 --> 00:13:29,890 the dry salt without a fly right yes we 330 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:31,270 have done knowledge not include the 331 00:13:34,410 --> 00:13:32,650 results in this in this presentation 332 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:34,420 yeah we did we did the same experiment 333 00:13:39,780 --> 00:13:36,580 without perchlorates just a soil sample 334 00:13:46,790 --> 00:13:39,790 to see the effect of adsorption when I 335 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:46,800 salts do we have any other question no 336 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:50,290 did those freeze if it was just absorb 337 00:13:55,650 --> 00:13:51,970 water cuz I would expect it wouldn't 338 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:55,660 freeze we did not put those through the 339 00:13:59,190 --> 00:13:57,850 DSC okay yeah so we didn't measure the 340 00:14:04,410 --> 00:13:59,200 phase transitions but that's a very good 341 00:14:08,130 --> 00:14:04,420 interesting feature all right so let's 342 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:08,140 think again our speaker for the money